Posted by jrk9791 on November 17, 2010 at 3:45 PM
Why is everyone so inclined in trading our farm system away. Again, if we trade it all away we will look like the Astros in a couple of years. Let's take what we have and build on it. Granted, I am not saying we can't make some trades but let's not trade away the blue chips that are going to come back to bite us like so many other trades we have done in the past.
Posted by josephhoran on November 17, 2010 at 1:43 PM
Furthermore, I don't think you do this trade unless you get Lee back. If we don't get Lee back Greinke is no Lee, and we have options for starters, Krikman, Ogando, Feliz, Beltre, Holland. The idea behind such a trade in my mind is that you are putting together a rotation arguably the best or 2nd best in baseball and greatly increasing your chances of winning it all in the next two years. If we can't get Lee back lets take our chances with young talent, CJ, Colby, and Tommy, and we might just end the regular season with just as much of a chance at the Classic than anyone else. Who knows, Kirkman could have a breakout year, or Ogando if he moves to start, could have an awesome year as well. In short, If Lee trade for Greinke, no Lee, no Greinke because if Lee wasn't there Greinke's impact lessens. In that case hold onto young talent for the future, and put our best foot forward in 2011 and 12.
Posted by josephhoran on November 17, 2010 at 1:33 PM
That makes me even more inclined to think we should do the trade. Holland, Perez, and Beltre OR Profar. Sorry for this retarded mistake.
Posted by rbt on November 17, 2010 at 1:13 PM
babyarm, Greinke has social anxiety disorder which is well controlled by medication. If your consider a guy who isn't fond of talking to the media and won't be the outgoing clubhouse leader a valid concern, then yeah, it's a valid concern. But he's not going to crumble out on the mound, if that's what you're asking.

josephhoran, if you reread Jamey's post you will see he said Profar OR Beltre, not both.

As for the quote from an "unspecified league executive," I will also point to the survey that ESPN did with 17 league executives where 12 felt that Greinke would not be traded, 4 thought he would, and 1 said it was a 50/50 chance.

Then there is this quote from Joel Sherman: "According to an NL exec, a Zack Greinke trade may be unlikely because the Royals "are starting from a position of not wanting to trade [Greinke], and when you start there, it is hard to get anywhere."

Well. The question was how do I feel about it, Jamey, and I'm glad to see you have finally put together a proposal that I have been telling you for forever it would take to get Greinke. I have expressed in comments before that your previous proposals were woefully inadequate. And yes, this is what it will take, or the Royals just flat aren't going to trade him. You either give this up (or similar), or you don't get Greinke, folks. Your choice.
Posted by jrk9791 on November 17, 2010 at 11:44 AM
How about this trade: I call it the Yankee trade: Taylor Teagarden, Andres Blanco, Vicente Padilla and Chan Home Run Park for Greinke. See we get the better end of the deal. Point being we really don't wanna do this yet. If the deal gets done give us a couple of years and our farm system will look like the Astros.
Posted by jrk9791 on November 17, 2010 at 11:30 AM
I love the trade idea in and of itself, but what we would have to give up in return would not really be worth it. So KC has the best farm system? Well let's just hand them some of our picks and have them come back to bite us in the b*** like many other trades have. I have to admit though if JD gets it done and we only give up one or two I won't be too upset but four or five, let's save them for later. Everyone thinks the time to pull the trigger is now...I think this team reminds me a lot of the Braves in the 90's so let's not give up our guys that could be a part of it just yet.
Posted by rhmnyc on November 17, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Way too much unless you can lock up ZG forever. Yeah, a Lee, ZG, Lewis, CJW + rotation sounds great but don't gut the farm system UNLESS you've got the major league level well stocked and locked. Even as great as Lee was in the 1st 2 rounds of the playoffs, you do that trade maybe once. Keep doing it and you'll drain your assets for the long term. Rangers have the fans now, to keep them and grow revenues (and the ability to keep and buy stars), the product on the field has to not only win now but have a bright future. Unless our key prospects are over hyped (unless you are the Yankees), you have to build from within for the long term. I'm even concerned that if Lee leaves, the psychology of the team will be (unless you bring in a ZG) that, we couldn't have gotten where we did without CL, so its back to the beginning. But maybe Rangers could have done just as well. Would have won the West without Lee, who knows? Lee's great but by next April this year's playoffs will be a distant memory. Sustainability. Think green.
Posted by ltrawick on November 17, 2010 at 10:19 AM
I hate the proposal, let alone the trade. Unless the baseball " experts" are wrong, a pitcher with a four plus era for the bulk of your farm system seems a little bit panicky. We traded a lot of people this past year and every draft does not renew the potential. For instance last years draft was not so hot. I find it hard to believe that KC has five of the ten top drawer and not one is expected to play in KC next year. Whose kidding who?
Posted by josephhoran on November 17, 2010 at 10:17 AM
What sayest thou Jamey? How do you feel about such a trade since all you did was drop that bomb? Are you willing to deal with the fallout if it happens?
Posted by josephhoran on November 17, 2010 at 10:14 AM
Texrollie,

Even if we won the World Series partly because of it? Think win Tex, think Win, and win now. If we get to the Classic we need a rotation that can challenge the Giants or the Phils, two other-worldly rotations. How miserable would it be to win the AL again and lose the Classic again? Ace pitching beats excellent offense, period. We are in a position to win now, lets do it. Who knows what the future holds? The future is now. KC is us five years ago, and there's no reason to think like KC ought to be thinking right now.

Joseph
Posted by Texrollie on November 17, 2010 at 10:6 AM
Oh my goodness! I'd love to have Greinke also but Holland AND Perez plus the others? Trust me, we would end up hating that deal as much as I'm sure the Braves' fans hate the Tex deal.
Posted by josephhoran on November 17, 2010 at 9:1 AM
Oh my goodness. I want Lee, Greinke, CJ, and Colby, but I donít want to give up Perez, Profar, and Beltre. Is this really what it would take? My gut says hell no to that trade, but maybe I am feeling as a losing Rangers fan would who always needs to horde up prospects for the future because the present is so miserable! There is the question of winning, and right now we have a better chance to win especially if we get one or both of those aces than we have ever had before. Greinke would be locked up for two years of potential championship seasons. Being realistic about how really damn hard it is to win the World Series maybe the Rangers need to think in the present here and greatly increase our chances of winning in the next two years while hurting our chances of winning 3 and 4 years out from today.
But still, prospects will be reloaded and replenished every year and the pain from losing so much talent would eventually subside. Another thing to think about is that for the next few years we have a lot of talent locked up at the plate and in the field, but some of that talent in the 3 to 5 year timeframe is going to need lots and lots of cash to stay. Who knows whether the Rangers of 2014 or 15 will be as good as the Rangers of 2011 and 2012? Who knows whether we will be able to give Josh the 20 million annually he will likely deserve or CJ, if he continues to perform, the at least 12 to 15 mil he will deserve? And when will Kinsler, Cruz, and the like be up for big contracts? It seems like Jamey is excited about the possible Zach trade even if we have to give up all this talent. I guess heís already been through these thought processes not to mention the fact that talent does not always translate to proven big league ability and as far as the future goes who knows what will happen. Maybe itís time for Rangers fans, and Rangers brass, to start thinking like winners instead of losers. Of course we need to continue to plan for the future, but winning is only ever ACTUALLY achieved in the present and the FUTURE IS NOW Rangersí fans!
Posted by babyarm on November 17, 2010 at 7:35 AM
Jamey, I have heard alot about the mental makeup of Greinke. I keep hearing how he has mental issues. Is that a valid concern with this guy or is it just BS?